Vol 19 - No. 11 November 2002

The HUG UpDate

The Harrisburg pc User Group© (HUG) Newsletter since 1983

Available Monthly at www.HrbgUG.org




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Schedule of HUG Activities

November 2002 HUG Meetings

  • November 12th [2nd Tuesday] - General Membership Meeting 6:30~9:00 PM
  • November 17th [3rd Sunday] - Computer Workshop 2:00~4:00 PM
  • November 21st [3rd Thursday] - Executive Board Meeting 6:00 PM

November 2002 Computer Shows *

  • November 9th-10th [Sat-Sun] - Ft. Washington Expo Center
  • November 16th-17th [Sat-Sun] - Farm Show Complex at Harrisburg
  • November 16th-17th [Sat-Sun] - Allentown Fairgrounds
  • November 30th [Sun] - Lancaster Host Resort
  • November 30th - December 1st [Sat-Sun] - Maryland State Fairgrounds at Timonium, MD

December 2002 HUG Meetings

  • December 10th [2nd Tuesday] - General Membership Meeting 6:30~9:00 PM
  • December 15th [3rd Sunday] - Computer Workshop 2:00~4:00 PM
  • December 19th [3rd Thursday] - Executive Board Meeting 6:00 PM

December 2002 Computer Shows *

  • December 1st [Sat] - York Expo Center
  • December 28th-29th [Sat-Sun] - Maryland State Fairgrounds at Timonium, MD

* Remember to always check the MarketPro  web site show schedule for possible
   last-minute cancelations before traveling to computer shows.

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HUG Meetings

HUG General Membership Meetings

Notes from the October General Membership Meeting --

There were 16 members and no guests present at the October 8th General Membership Meeting.

With the HUG election coming up in December, a main item of business was the selection of an Election Nomination Chairman. Current office holders are not eligible to serve in this capacity. Fortunately we have an active membership base and Don Guss volunteered to accept this task. As a benefit, Don does not have to worry about being nominated for an office next year. Don will be in charge of accepting nominations for HUG officers at the November General Membership Meeting and will be in charge of the actual voting, as informal as it is, at the December Meeting.

The next item of business was to collect members' suggestions for topics for the 2003 Meetings. The most popular suggestions were for demonstrations concerning: Digital Video, Scanning and OCR, Network Security including Firewalls, Home Networks, Cable Modems, and e-bay. So look for these topics at 2003 HUG General Membership Meeings. Anyone who is willing to volunteer to present any of these topics please see or e-mail either Lou Samsel or Dennis Mumma.

The meeting also included a General Question and Answer Discussion Session for computer questions and computer problems. The discussion was lively and interesting. Everyone who participated learned several new things. Several members said that they enjoyed these informal discussions and that they learned at least one important, new, useful procedure or tip.

The meeting concluded at around 9:15 PM.



Coming up in November --

At the November HUG General Membership Meeting we will hold nominations for HUG Officers to serve during 2003. Don Guss, in his capacity as Election Nomination Chairman, will accept all nominations. Any present HUG member may be nominated for an office. But, if you nominate anyone, be sure that they have agreed to serve beforehand. The actual election will be held during the December Meeting.

Additionally, we will again be collecting members' suggestions as to what demonstrations and presentations you want to see in 2003. So if you missed the October Meeting, you have a second chance to suggest a topic for discussions or presentation in 2003. You can request one of your favorite presentations from a previous session that you want to see again or you can request someting totally new. We will do our best to find a presentor to give us the information that you want.

It's your Computer User Group -- What do you want to do at the General Membership Meetings? What do you want to hear about? Now is your time to tell us what you want and we will arrange it, if possible.

So come to the November HUG General Membership Meeting and be sure to attend with a friend -- especially if your friend needs computer information. They don't have to be a member to ask questions!

Remember, General Membership Meetings are held on the SECOND TUESDAY of each month, starting at 6:30 PM, in the Skyline View Church, 7733 Hillcrest Avenue, Harrisburg. Share the experience and bring a friend.



Coming up in December --

In December we will hold our annual Election of HUG Officers. These individuals will serve in their elected capacities during 2003.

There will be Special Awards of computer hardware and computer software items for members who served at the HUG Computer Show Table during 2002. (See the Computer Shows Section of this newsletter for more information). All members who served will receive an award.




HUG Computer Workshops

The HUG Computer Workshop (formerly known as the DOS/Windows SIG), where beginners' questions are answered and problem computers are analyzed for free, is held on the THIRD SUNDAY of each month, from 2:00~4:00 PM. If you are new to our group, or you would just like a little coaching in downloading files, or using Adobe Acrobat Reader, or if you need to have some of techno-speak decoded, then this is where you want to be.

If you are having hardware or software problems or would like application help, by all means come out. We will continue to handle these problems one-on-one in separate areas of the large, comfortable meeting hall.

We have a limited supply of computer components for sale at the workshops. See the For Sale section of this newsletter for details.



Notes from the Last Computer Workshop --

Ten members and no visitors showed up. The following computers were sold as per last the Computer Sale announcement in last month's newsletter.



    Computers Sold

  • Gateway P5-200 Mid-Tower For Sale: Intel Pentium, 200 MHz (non-MMX), 64 Mb RAM, 3.4 Gb Hard Drive, 3-1/2" Floppy Drive, 12-X CD-ROM Drive. Matrox Video Card 2Mb (works as is but needs driver file for best color), Gateway 2000 TelePath 33.6 Modem w/ Mic Input and Line Out (mfg by U.S. Robotics). Has Win 95, IE Explorer, and Plus! installed. Full printed documentation set of original Gateway Users Manuals for Mainboard, Video, Sound, and Modem. Price: $60.


  • TRI-C Systems "TC" Desktop For Sale: AMD 5x86 ["Pentium 133"], 133 MHz, 32 Mb RAM, 540 Mb Hard Drive, 3-1/2" Floppy Drive, ? Speed CD-ROM Drive, Trident PCI Video SVGA Card, Network Card ?. Has Win 95 and IE Explorer Installed. Price: $45.


  • Infotel Full Size Tower with Footplate For Sale: Pentium-S, 133 MHz, 32 Mb RAM, 540 Mb Hard Drive, 3-1/2" Floppy Drive, 8 Speed CD-ROM Drive, Diamond Stealth 2Mb Video SVGA Card, 3Com Network Card 3C509B Combo. Has Win 95b Installed. Price: $40.


Total proceeds from the above sales added $145 to the HUG treasury.

The following computers were not sold and will consequently be donated to a charitable organization, most likely a church.



  • Computers Not Sold



  • Zenith Z-Station 500 Desktop Computer For Sale: Intel 486, 66 MHz, 16 Mb RAM, 540 Mb Hard Drive, 3-1/2" Floppy, 2-X CD-ROM Drive, PS/2 Keyboard, PS/2 Mouse (new), 14" VGA monitor. Real clean case, inside too. Presently has PS-DOS 6.2 and Win 3.1 installed. Has NIC card and Novell Network Software installed. Will work great with Win 95 (new owner must provide). This is a very nice and clean low-cost computer suitable for a new user. Price: $25.


  • Compaq ProLina 4/66 Desktop Computer For Sale: Intel 486 DX-2, 66 MHz, 28 Mb RAM, 240 Mb Hard Drive, 3-1/2" Floppy, 5-1/4" Floppy, Compaq Keyboard, PS/2 Mouse (new), Compaq Monitor, 256 Kb VGA Video Card, Modem. Presently has PS-DOS 6.21 and Win 3.1 [all 6 disks & drivers] installed. Price: All for $20.

The Workshop closed at 5:30 PM.




Notes from the Special Computer Workshop --

Due to the large amount of donated computers we held a Special Computer Workshop, actually a Work Party, on Wednesday September 23rd. George, Wes, and Lou showed up for the occasion. Most of the day, from 11:30 AM to 4:30 PM, was spent evaluating donated equipment. Junk was discarded and usable components were saved.

In all, seven computers were scrapped due to obsolete hardware. Five working computers were assembled. One especially nice Pentium 233 MHz MMX computer will be used for a demonstration and training computer, to be designated HUG-2.



Linux SIG Meetings

The Linux SIG (HAL) is held concurrently with the HUG Computer Workshop at 2:00 in the Skyline View Church. If you are an experienced Linux user and wish to participate in a Linux discussion session, or if you are want to learn what Linux is about, then this SIG is for you. Guests are welcome.

Norm Wagner has suggested that an additional monthly Linux (only) meeting be scheduled. If anyone has any desire to attend a Linux only meeting notify Norm at normwag@comcast.com with your comments.


HUG Executive Board Meetings

Thursday, November 21st is HUG's Executive Board Meeting at Little Joe's Pizza (formerly Brian's Pizza) in the Swatara Square Shopping Center across from the east shore Wal-Mart. The center is bordered by Route 322, Mushroom Hill Road, and Grayson Road. Board meetings are always open to the public. Here is where we handle the club's monthly business -- so there are no demonstrations nor hands-on help. But if you would like the club to benefit from your input on policies and procedures or you'd like to volunteer, then this is the place to be. Meetings start at 6:00 PM and run about an hour or until the club's business is completed.

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Computer Shows

There is a two-day show scheduled for the Harrisburg Farm Show Complex on November 16-17th. John, George, Lou, and Chuck Gordon will man the table but they still need a few more willing and able volunteers. Are you up to the task? If so, email (or call) John or Lou.

There are several benefits in helping at HUG computer show table. One, you get FREE admission to the show. Two, you frequently get a "vendor's discount" from the many vendors at the show - sometimes 10% on the more expensive items such as drives, processors, memory, cards, software, etc. Three, we take breaks from the HUG table so you still have the opportunity to walk around, shop, and enjoy the show. Four, you learn something interesting and useful from the other HUG members and the helpful vendors at every show. Five, you get the satisfaction of helping someone who knows even less about computers than you do by answering their easy questions - that's satisfaction and an ego boosting experience.

So how about it? Send either John or Lou an e-mail message now and they will remind you in October so you don't forget and miss a great computer show. What's more, the Lebanon show has the best food of any computer show, at low prices, too!

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HUG News

New Official HUG Internet Address --

We have a new Official HUG Internet Address, effective November 1st. The new address is:

                      www.HrbgUG.org


Our first choice was "www.HUG.org" but that was reserved by the "Hawaiian pc User Group". They currently have no web pages up at this time, however.


New Official HUG Mailing Address --

We also have a new Official Hug Mailing Address, effective November 1st. The new address is:

     Harrisburg pc User Group (HUG)
     Attn: Membership Director [optional line for membership applications and payments]
     38 Windsor Way
     Annville, PA 17003

Please use this new address, starting November 1st, on all U.S. Mail correspondence including new membership applications and dues payments.



HUG Elections Are Coming This Fall --

Nominations for HUG Office Holders in 2003 are scheduled for this November. Elections are scheduled for December. So think about which office that you want to fill and let any HUG Board Member know of your intentions. I promise that no present officer will feel bad if you aspire to his office - the incumbent will look forward toward serving HUG in another capacity.



Members Not Receiving Meeting Notices --

Dennis Mumma sends out e-mail notices, as a reminder, before meeting. Many members have reported that they do not receive them. This is because members on the e-mail list have ignored Dennis' invitations.

To get on the list do one of two things. Either: 1) Contact (e-mail) the list manager, Dennis Mumma with your request for an invitation and then reply to the invitation when it arrives. Or: 2) go to the groups' yahoo! web page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hucg and sign up as a new user.

Once you are signed up you can also participate in the Club Chat Room held every Wednesday from 8-10 PM online. Here, you can get all your computer questions answered.

You say you didn't know about the announcements or the Club Chat Room? That's because you didn't sign up! So do it NOW!


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Important Reminders

Your Current Email Address --

If you want to continue receiving a HUG e-mail announcement then you must keep your e-mail address current in our data base. You must provide us with your correct and current address and inform us of any changes. The best way to do this is to e-mail Lou Samsel and John Reinhardt from the address you wish to use. (Please place "HUG" at the beginning of the e-mail's Subject Field.)

     Lou Samsel -- HUG President at: lou.samsel@pa.net

     John Reinhardt -- HUG Treasurer at: jreinhardt@state.pa.us

Snailmail to the HUG official address works too.

This eliminates typographical errors at both ends as well as handwriting misinterpretations. If you are planning on leaving one ISP for another, we recommend overlapping them for a few months so we have time to change your address without our getting "invalid address" messages when we send you announcements.

Remember, this is your responsibility.


Donations to HUG --

Modern and usable software and hardware donations are appreciated. No DOS software nor 386, 486 hardware, please. There is just no use for it. Donations may be dropped off at any HUG meeting. Your donation may be tax deductible for Federal Income Tax purposes -- see our Treasurer John for details.


Meeting Locations --

Remember, General Membership Meetings are held on the SECOND TUESDAY of each month from 6:30~9:00 PM in the Skyline View Church, 7733 Hillcrest Avenue, Harrisburg. Skyline View Church is on Jonestown Road (Rt. 22) just 6/10 of a mile west of Rt. 39. It's on the south side of the highway, next to a Fulton Bank and across the highway from a Getty-Mart. Share the experience and bring a friend.

Workshops are held on the THIRD SUNDAY of each month from 2:00~4:00 PM the above location. Visitors with problems are welcome but members are given priority with assistance.

HUG Executive Board Meetings are held the THIRD THURSDAY of each month at 6:00 PM in Little Joe's Pizza [formerly Brian's Pizza] in the Swatara Square Shopping Center across from the east shore Wal-Mart. The Swatara Square is bordered by Route 322, Mushroom Hill Road, and Grayson Road. All current members are welcome.

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Membership Renewal

Membership in HUG has many advantages including: admission to all HUG meetings including SIGs, elegibility for door prizes (when available) at General Membership Meetings, priority over non-members for free technical assistance with computer related problems at all HUG Computer Workshops, elegibility to volunteer to work at the HUG Computer Show Table and win annual volunteers' prizes, discounts on all "For Sale" items, and other benefits that I can't think of at the moment.

To renew your HUG Membership, please snailmail your $15 check, made out to "Harrisburg pc User Group", to the New HUG Official Mailing Address:

     Harrisburg pc User Group (HUG)
     Attn: Membership Director [optional line for membership applications and payments]
     38 Windsor Way
     Annville, PA 17003

Alternately, you may bring your check or cash, for $15, to any HUG Meeting.

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Wanted or For Sale

Newsletter Editor Wanted --

Lou Samsel and Dennis Mumma are filling in as newsletter editors until a volunteer for this position comes foreward. This position would look good on anyone's resume. You have the opportunity to style and provide content as you choose. Anyone interested should contact Lou Samsel.


Newsletter Writers Wanted --

Anyone who has an idea or submission for this newsletter should contact Lou Samsel. Here is your chance to appear in print. As with the editor position, published writing experience would look good on your resume.


List of Links to Microsoft Sites Needed --

We still need a few people to submit a List of Links to Microsoft Sites. The last section of this newsletter contains links to interesting and informative Linux sites. There are no Microsoft Windows sites listed -- I know this because some of you have told me so. This is not an oversight. If anyone wishes, you can prepare a list of addresses (first) and site names (second) for whatever Microsoft Windows sites that you think the other readers of this newsletter might be interested in visiting. No commercial ($$$) sites, please. We're not providing free advertising without quid pro quo. E-mail this list to Lou Samsel.


Items for Sale --

We have the following items for sale to active HUG members, only. [Unclaimed items are available to non-members at slightly higher prices.] All items are used, unless othewise indicated. All items are believed to be in good working condition. Anything that proves to be nonworking after purchase may be returned for replacement or refund within 60 days of purchase. Free items have, of course, no warranty. No additional claims as to suitability, performance, or reliablilty are offered. [The stuff's dirt cheap, after all!]

These items are offered while existing supplies last.



  • Computer Components For Sale

  • Hard Drives, 500 Mb, used - $5.00
  • Floppy Drives, 3 1/2", Generic Style - $3.00
  • Floppy Drives, 3 1/2", IBM Style (no seperate power connector) - free
  • Processor Chips, Intel 486, various speeds - $3.00
  • Memory, 72-pin SIMMs, 4 MB - $1.00
  • Memory, 72-pin SIMMs, 8 MB - $5.00
  • Memory, 72-pin SIMMs, ECC (IBM type), 8 MB - $1.00
  • Cases with power supplies, AT style, various manufacturers - free
  • Software: MS J++ with Windows NT 4.0 (new - last one) - [SOLD]
  • Cables, floppy drive, flat ribbon type - $2.00
  • Cables, IDE hard drive, flat ribbon type - $3.00
  • Cables, SCSI drive, flat ribbon type - $1.00


The For Sale Components may be purchased at any workshop or at any other HUG meeting -- if plans are made to do so in advance of the meeting. Please call (or better yet, email) Lou Samsel well in advance to assure availability.

The proceeds from sales are placed in the HUG treasury.

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List of HUG Officers and Support Members



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Links to Other Sites

[The Featured Software Site article for this month was provided by Chuck Gordon, one of HUG's most knowledgable and helpful members. His review is included, below. My opinion is that if Chuck recommends this software then you should definitely try it.
~ Editor]

Featured Software Site for November -- AIDA32 v3.2

Program: AIDA32 v3.2
Size: 1.5Mb
Platforms: Win9x/2k/XP
Cost:FREE [see License section, below]
URL: http://www.aida32.hu/aida32.php


About AIDA32 --

What it is -- AIDA32 is a professional system information, diagnostics and benchmarking program running on Win32 platforms. It extracts details of all components of the PC. It can display information on the screen, print it, or save it to file in various formats like HTML, CSV or XML. For corporate users, AIDA32 offers command-line switches, network audit and audit statistics, remote system information and network management.

Starting with version 3.00, AIDA32 is released in 3 different variants. Please read the product matrix on the AIDA32 web site to find out what are the advantages of each variants.

Features --

  • Full hardware and software information on 80 pages
  • Built-in hardware database: detailed information about 21000 components
  • Physical information for CPU, motherboard, hard disk, optical drive
  • Motherboard chipset, buses, sensor information
  • Installed programs, event logs list
  • Diagnostics module to reveal possible problems
  • Memory benchmark
  • Automatic audit via command-line switches
  • ADO/ODBC database support
  • Remote control through TCP/IP network
  • 32-bit low-level hardware detection
  • Multi-threaded program model
  • Full Windows XP compatibility
  • Iomega Active Disk support
  • English, Hungarian, German, Russian language module
  • French, Italian, Spanish language module (coming soon)

Review by Chuck Gordon, HUG --

First, I want to start out by saying that I can't believe the product is free. I have never seen a system-reporting tool that is so well put together.

If there was anything you wanted to know about your computer, this is the application that will find and tell you about what you are looking for. Want to know the motherboard CPU Package Type? Done! Want to know the BIOS type? Done! There are so many areas of reporting that this application covers that I couldn't possibly name them all. Heck, I haven't even found them all!

Don't worry. The application is easy to use, and you don't have to be "super tech" to understand it all.

AIDA32 will also let you export your summary results in TXT, HTML, MHTML, XML, CSV, MIF, and INI file formats.

AIDA32 comes in three flavors: Enterprise, Personal, and Network. The last two versions fit on a floppy, making it the perfect tool for desktop technicians.

Basically, all that I can say is that you would have to be foolish not to download this product. A program this well created may not stay free forever, although I hope it does!

License --

For personal use: AIDA32 is a FREEWARE application, so it's free to distribute and use for any non-business purposes.

For business, corporate, educational, organizational or government use: AIDA32 must be registered. You can do it by simply filling in the Online Registration Form.

Registration includes unlimited site license, product support and future updates for unlimited time. Registration is free of charge.



Other Sites --

Computer User Groups

HUG's Home Page  |   APCUG's Home Page  |   ChicagoLand LUG  |   BayArea LUG  |   GLUE


Linux News

Linux Gazette  |   LinuxLinks  |   Linux Today  |   Linux News  |   Linux Planet  |   SlashDot

FreshMeat  |   CNet Linux News  |   TheRegister


Linux Documentation and Tutorials

Linux Documetation Project  |   Linux Tutorials  |   Linux Newbie Organization  |   AboutLinux.com  |   LinuxLinks

CNet Linux Message Forum  |   TheLinuxGurus


Linux Releases

Mandrake  |   RedHat  |   S.u.S.E.  |   LurboLinux  |   Corel Linux


Linux Vendors

Linux Planet  |   Linux Mall  |   Linux Apps  |   Linux Central  |   CheapBytes




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APCUG Logo HUG will be celebrating its 20th Anniversary in 2003.

HUG has been an APCUG member for 17 years and is a charter member.



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Last Modified: November 7, 2002